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Standartinė aukse » 2007.07.23 22:40

Stambus ir storas-yra skirtingi dalykai. Nežinau, gal kai kam ir gražu nutukę šunys. Bet tai bent jau pagalvotų kad šuniui nesveika :@ Man nutukę šunys tiesiog bjauru. :puke
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Standartinė sailor » 2007.07.24 00:11

o man nutukusiu (nutukintu) gyvunu gaila :'(
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Standartinė Ilona » 2007.07.24 13:41

Nu ką gi, štai ir mūsų papūgėlių naujoji draugė - Blanka (toks dokumentinis vardas, o ir taip vadinama jinai bus. Veislynas KOPA iš Kauno.

Na kol kas tik antra diena, o jau reikliukų yra, bet nerealiai lipšni, meili ir prieraiši kalytė. Jai liepos 29 sueis 3 mėnesiai. Žiauriai mmėgsta vandenį dar būdama tokia mažutė, o jau į bliūdus lipa :o

va kaip tai atrodo



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Standartinė Papooga » 2007.07.24 16:00

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Standartinė aukse » 2007.07.24 17:23

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Standartinė Zitlali » 2007.07.24 18:03

(pamaniau, kad šią diskusiją užvesiu ir šiame forume, nes labai aktyviai dalyvaujate :) O nuomonės man įdomios būtų apoie štai šį klausimą. Tikiuosi rasite kantrybės pasiskaityti ir pasinagrinėti, manau tema verta laiko ir dėmesio)

Radau įdomią vieno veterinaro nuomonę (žinoma tai tik santrauka kurią radau šiame puslapyje, bet informacijos yra labai daug išbarstytos visame internete), kuris jau dirba 15-ika metų apie daromas mūsų klaidas gydant šunis. Šaltinis iš kurio įkėliau informaciją : http://www.theveterinarysecret.com/?hop=wellcafe

Taip pat būtų įdomu išgirsti ką manote apie holistinę veterinariją ? Ar domitės?
Štai ką jis rašo (atsiprašau, kad angliškai, nemokėsiu tiksliai išversti terminų):

There are 3 mistakes that I made
that contributed to Hoochie's early death...

...are you making these same mistakes?

Mistake #1: Vaccines - Given Every Year

I gave Hoochie his combination of vaccines every year until he died. I advised pet owners to vaccinate their pets yearly, so I gave my own dog the same vaccines. The vaccines likely contributed to him developing spleen cancer.

"Recent vaccinations with single or combination modified live virus (MLV) vaccines are increasingly recognized contributors to immune-mediated blood diseases, bone marrow failure, organ dysfunction and cancer."

Dr. Jean Dodds, one of the world's foremost experts in canine vaccine reactions.

Mistake #2: Diet - He Was Fed An All-In-One "Complete" Veterinary Food

Hoochie was fed a Veterinary approved food exclusively, yet he developed Spleen cancer at the age of 8, and died shortly after. The "Bright Minds" in the pet food industry have created unwell pets, producing increasing incidences of diabetes, cancer and allergies.

The food that Hoochie ate was NOT naturally preserved. The unnatural preservatives played a role in the cancer.

"BHA and BHT are known to cause liver and kidney dysfunction and are banned in some European countries. Ethoxyquin is suspected of causing cancer, and that propylene glycol, another common pet food ingredient, causes the destruction of red blood cells."

Dr. Wendell O. Belfield, author of 'How to Have a Healthier Dog'.


Mistake #3: Conventional Medication - He Was On Anti-Inflammatories Hoochie was showing signs of arthritis, so I had been giving him a conventional veterinary medication. He responded to the medication, but it likely played a role in damaging his organs, making him susceptible to cancer.

These are also known as Non Steroidal Anti-inflammatories or NSAIDs. Here is what Dr Stephen Sundlof of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has to say about them...

NSAIDs carry a risk of side effects, or adverse reactions. Most adverse reactions are mild, but some may be serious, especially if the drugs are not used according to labeled directions. Some reactions result in permanent damage or even death.

"It's important for pet owners to be aware of the risks and benefits of all drugs, including NSAIDs, so that they can make informed decisions about their pets' health care," says Sundlof. "Owners who give their dog NSAIDs need to know the side effects to watch for that indicate their pet needs medical attention."

The most common side effects from NSAIDs include vomiting, loss of appetite, depression, lethargy, and diarrhea. Serious side effects include gastrointestinal bleeding, ulcers, perforations, kidney damage, and liver problems.

Stephen F. Sundlof, D.V.M., Ph.D., Director of the Food and Drug Administration's Center for Veterinary Medicine (CVM).


A very popular NSAID is Rimadyl. It has resulted in all the above reported side-effects, including death. In fact it was first created as a human anti-inflammatory product, but due to the incidence of serious liver side effects in clinical trials, it was pulled from the human market. The drug company, Phizer, then brought it back to life in the pet industry.

It has caused a huge number of serious side effects in pets, including death. Here is what Chris Adams of the Wall Street Journal had to say...

Since Rimadyl's 1997 launch, the FDA has received reports of about 1,000 dogs that died or were put to sleep and 7,000 more that had bad reactions after taking the drug, records and official estimates indicate. The FDA says such events are significantly underreported.

Chris Adams, Wall Street Journal


Daugiau informacijos apie vakcinas: http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/petvacc.htm (citata: „Most pet owners aren't aware of the dangers in animal vaccinations that have been discovered in recent years. The major veterinary associations now agree that vaccinations can trigger all sorts of maladies, from allergies to cancer - but most pet caretakers (and many veterinarians, it seems) haven't gotten the word. "With vaccines that are repeated year after year, the frequency and severity of these side-effects in our pets has increased dramatically. Most of the problems involve the immune system. After all, the immune system is what vaccines are designed to stimulate. But they do so in a very unnatural way that can overwhelm and confuse the immune system." Dr. Donna Starita Mehan DVM").

Paskutiniu metu pradedu mąstyti ta linkme, kad kuo daugiau kišiesi nenatūraliom priemonėm į gyvūno organizmą, tuo tik jam labiau kenksi (žinoma, proto ribose). Po truputėlį pradedu rankiotis informaciją apie natūralias priemones gydymui, profilaktikai, taip pat ir apie natūralų šėrimą (kur jau senokai perėjau, žr. temoj „šunų šėrimas natūraliais produktais" http://fauna.savel.org/forum.cgi?op=vie ... 96;start=0 ). Tad renku informaciją ir čia Ar kas domisi, kokia nuomonė ir t.t.

Pati asmeniškai šunis skiepysiu tik nuo pasiutligės, nes neskiepijus grėstų pavojus mano ir aplinkinių sveikatai. Visgi dabar atseku, kad mano Pepos sveikata smarkiai sušlubavo būtent po skiepų, odos paraudimai, niežulys ir t.t. O ir neseniai, prieš tai kai čipavau šunis, juos paskiepijo, po to Kramiui prasidėjo problemos su pėdutėm, rašiau kitame forume. Štai ką radau šia tema: „Dr. Dee Blanco, D.V.M - "You take healthy animals and often very quickly after you vaccinate, you can see simple things like itching of the skin or excessive licking of the paws, sometimes even with no eruptions and licking of the air. We see a lot of epilepsy/seizure, often after a rabies vaccination. Or dogs or cats can become aggressive for several days. Frequently, you'll see urinary tract infections in cats, often within three months after their [annual] vaccination. If you step back, open your mind and heart, you'll start to see patterns of illness post-vaccination."
Dar labai įdomu, kodėl manęs nei vienas veterinaras nėra perspėjęs apie riziką su kuria susidursiu paskiepijusi gyvūnus... http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/petvacc.htm#act. Ar todėl, kad jiems tai nežinoma ar todėl, kad nuostolinga?
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Standartinė aukse » 2007.07.24 18:11

Įdomu, kas ta holistinė veterinarija?
Straipsnio perskaityt negaliu, bet visiškai sutinku su Zitlali kad reikia kuo mažiau kištis į organizmą su visokia chemija. Betgi vėl-gyvūnų juk niekas ir negydo kol jie nesuserga. O jau kai suserga nelieka kitos išeities. Va dėl skiepų tai mano visiškai kitokia nuomonė. Taip, skiepai kartais duoda pašalinį poveikį. Bet greičiausiai silpno imuniteto šunim. O kitaip apsaugoti augintinį nuo mirtinai pavojingų ligų deja neįmanoma. Maras, enteritas-nė kiek ne mažiau pavojingos ligos nei pasiutligė. Skirtumas tik toks kad nepersiduoda žmogui. Bet neskiepytam gyvūnui dažniausiai baigiasi arba mirtimi, arba jei ir pavyksta išgelbėti-lieka stiprus ligos pašalinis poveikis, nuo kurio kenčia ir gyvūnas, ir jo šeimininkas (matydamas kaip gyvūnas kankinasi). Taip kad nemanau kad protinga atsisakyti kitų skiepų. Niekada to nedaryčiau.
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Standartinė Zitlali » 2007.07.24 18:16

Bet yra moksliškai įrodyta, kad kasmet (aš nžn kokie yra kasmetiniai skiepai, tiesą pasakius niekada nesidomėjau) skiepyjant šunį, sąžiningai, dažniausiai mirs nuo vėžio, prasidės kitos mirtinos ligos. Nekalbu apie skiepus kurie naudojami vieną kartą per šuns gyvenimą.. Štai čia mes taip pat diskutuojame :) http://fauna.savel.org/forum.cgi?op=vie ... ;start=0#4

Štai vienos forumietės nuomonė apie skiepus:

Aš jau senokai nusprendžiau, kad savo panelės neskiepysiu kasmet polivalentinemis vakcinomis, kadangi iš tiesų organizmas imunitetą toms ligoms įgyja ne 12 mėnesių, o žymiai ilgesniam laikotarpiui - t.y. imunitetas išlieka visą jo gyvenima. O kasmet pakartotini skiepai imuniteto tikrai nesustiprina, o priešingai, kenkia šuns organizmui.
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Standartinė aukse » 2007.07.24 18:22

Yra skiepų naudojamų 1 kartą gyvenime?
Nežinau ar tikrai nuo skiepų padidėja tikimybė susirgti vėžiu ar dar kuo-tikrai negaliu nieko apie tai pasakyt.
Bet galima galvoti ir truputį kitaip. Ar rizikuoti netekti dėl kokio maro 2, 3 ar metų laiko šuns, ar tikėtis kad jis gal ir susirgs kuom nors senatvėj, bet nugyvens kokia 16 m.?
Be to, mano manymu vėžiniams susirgimams įtaką turi ne tik skiepai. Žymiai daugiau įtakos turi užteršta aplinka, užterštas maistas ir t.t. Dabar juk "švaraus" maisto net sau negalim nusipirkt. Nėra nieko sveiko. O dar tie sausi pašarai kurių yra devynios galybės... Jie labai patogu. Bet nemanau kad jie tikrai sveika šuniui. Manau jie irgi prisideda prie vėžio atsiradimo. Ir pan.
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